Hold On Hope

June 13 2005
Everybody's got a hold on hope,
It's the last thing that's holding me

_kt

June 14 2005
i just wanted to say... i saw your new "group"... i'm sorry for those who claim to live for Him and don't show His love. but there is plenty of Biblical references that states that homosexuality is wrong and that a man shouldn't lay with another man as he would a woman. also. followers of God have nothing against blacks. i don't know where you got that or if it is some strange religion that believes in it. and even though we find homosexuality wrong, we do NOT hate them. we love them. hate the SIN, NOT the person. just thought i would set some things straight. _kt

Max

June 14 2005
oh god ^^^ hahaha daniel you gotta be laughing bro even though its kinda hard for you right now since your frickin mouth is wired shut!!! Oh well I am staying out of that mess just thought I'd say hi, take care and god bless

Daniel

June 14 2005
Yes I am laughing. I don't think she got the point at all.

Nathan Bailey

June 14 2005
I Agree I think she was wrong even though she is my friend. I don't belive she read it through and took it the right way. She just jumped the gun, and you never said anything wrong man. Even if she should respect your view and not try and prove you wrong just because here religion doesn't agree. I have my own firm relationship with god because its to hard to find a religion now days. People take it too far with it. We just all need to get alogn and respect eachother man....peace -Nathan_

Nathan Bailey

June 14 2005
I completely agree with your remark on Kt site Daniel....very deep and very well put...

_kt

June 14 2005
i'm sorry you feel that way too. yes the Bible was written by man but these were men who were His best friends or God told them what to write. i also read the context for what it said and i'm sorry if my 10 years of schooling has let me down. if you would like to share the point with me then please do. whatever The Book says i believe in and try to live out each day. but of course you have heard that Jesus is the only perfect person so we all have our downfalls. i don't want to "start" anything but i respect what you have to say and best of luck with everything you believe. i know i am right and one day i will be in Heaven with my Creator. thank you and have a good night! _kt

Sarah

June 14 2005
i agree with katie!

Daniel

June 14 2005
Well I am so very proud of you both in actually believing there is a god who condemns two people for loving, just because they have the same genitals. I hope you both are most happy that you take Jesus Christ, a man who taught us to love and tolerate everyone, and use his name to believe in such awful bigotry. Be proud, I am happy for you. I am also very ashamed to know that you are part of any sort of religion that I associate myself with.

Bethany Bratcher

June 14 2005
Hi Matthew. You are right about the fact that Jesus Christ taught his follewers to love others. But, it is important to remember that he had no problem telling people when they were sinning, rebuking them, calling them hypocrites, etc. He accepted sinners as they were, showed them His love, told them they were sinning, and then said, Go and sin no more. For people who were already his followers, he rubuked them if they were sinning. He was not pleased and did not hesitate to show it. I know you don't believe that scripture is God-inspired, but for those of us who do, we have to live by what it says and it says plainly that it is wrong for a man to lie with another man and a woman to lie with another woman. Thus, as Christains who believe in what the Bible says, we cannot condone this behavior. We can love gay people, but not accept the fact they are gay.This is not "awful bigotry" as you say, it's just believing what the Bible says, and I hope you can respect that. You may feel like Katie, Sarah, or I are attacking your beliefs, but we are really just defending ours and asking that you respect them. Starting a group entitled, "God protect me from your followers" is not exactly being loving and accepting, which is what you are mad about in the first place. I also want to note that it is not just homosexuality that we, as Christians, do not condone. Jesus also says that it is wrong to lie, steal, lust, have sex before marriage, along with many other things. These are all sins in the eyes of God. The Bible also states that we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. The only way to become clean is to repent of our sin, which real repentance means turning from your sin and making a decision not to participate in it anymore. It is hard to truely repent from a habitual sin like homosexuality, pre-maritial sex, etc. These sins cause us to be seperated from God. You may agree with me. You may not. But, I just wanted to share what I believe and ask that you respect it. I will do the same to you.

Nathan Bailey

June 14 2005
Ok Ok....now it's time for everyone to shut the fuck up and just get over it man...We've all said what we said now its over, leave it the hell alone....jeez.....

Daniel

June 14 2005
of course I will respect your beliefs, as I respect Katie and Sarah's. Note that I was the one who was originally attacked in the first place. I'm sorry, but I don't respect any god who says homosexuality is wrong, and thats my opinion. I don't know why you people can't just accept that I disagree with you and leave it at that.. everyone has to tell me, a complete stranger, what you personally believe, just to make yourselves feel better. I don't care what any of you believe, leave me the hell alone! It is painstankly clear what I believe.. so dammit, back off. Note I don't even know any of you, but still you have to tell me what you believe in order to, I don't know, satisfy your own faith. And note, my group is about loving and acceptance.. I'm asking God to simply protect me from all the idiots who warp his word. They scare me :P

Daniel

June 14 2005
by the way my name is Daniel, not Matthew.. my SN is from a poem :P

Bethany Bratcher

June 14 2005
Nathan, you said earlier, "We all just need to get along and respect each other man" Please take your own advice. Daniel, I respect what you believe. I disagee that you were the one who was attacked first because you started the group pretty much attacking Christians. You can't do something like that and expect for no one to react, not out of hatred, but out of concern. I am guessing you were hoping for a reaction, I don't know. If you don't accept a God who says homosexuality is wrong, that's your choice and I respect that. My God is different from your God, I suppose. I am not telling you what I believe to make myself feel better, I am just defending my beliefs, which I felt you attacked by starting the group and by what you said to Katie and Sarah. It's totally cool if you don't care what I believe and I will leave you alone. You say your group is about loving and acceptance, so please love and accept everyone, even Christains whose beliefs you disagree with. As far as people who warp God's word, I am glad you admit it is God's word and politely suggest that you read the whole Bible and then decide if you still believe God condones homosexuality or any of these other sins. You might be surprised. In the end, you have a right to believe what you want as much as the rest of us-that is the beauty of the country we live in. I just ask that you not be so hostile towards Christians.

Bethany Bratcher

June 14 2005
Nathan, you said earlier, "We all just need to get along and respect each other man" Please take your own advice. Daniel, I respect what you believe. I disagee that you were the one who was attacked first because you started the group pretty much attacking Christians. You can't do something like that and expect for no one to react, not out of hatred, but out of concern. I am guessing you were hoping for a reaction, I don't know. If you don't accept a God who says homosexuality is wrong, that's your choice and I respect that. My God is different from your God, I suppose. I am not telling you what I believe to make myself feel better, I am just defending my beliefs, which I felt you attacked by starting the group and by what you said to Katie and Sarah. It's totally cool if you don't care what I believe and I will leave you alone. You say your group is about loving and acceptance, so please love and accept everyone, even Christains whose beliefs you disagree with. As far as people who warp God's word, I am glad you admit it is God's word and politely suggest that you read the whole Bible and then decide if you still believe God condones homosexuality or any of these other sins. You might be surprised. In the end, you have a right to believe what you want as much as the rest of us-that is the beauty of the country we live in. I just ask that you not be so hostile towards Christians.

Daniel

June 14 2005
I never attacked Christians.. most of my friends are Christians, I don't hate Christians nor Christianity! That group is obviously not aimed towards Christians. Its aimed towards any radicals in any religion.. Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone who takes God's name and twists it. I don't know why you called me Nathan, but I do respect each other.. I am the one who is being attacked here, and its getting frustrating. Please tell me how that group attacks christians on the whole? I only talk about the kind that do not follow Christ's word. I feel the same way about the Muslims who don't follow what Muhammad taught. That group is not about Christians, its not about any religion.. I hate how every body things they are being attacked once religion is mentioned.. everyone's faith is so damn weak that they can't be attacked. Look, bottomline is that the group has nothing to do with Christians in particular. Its about how so many people take religion and warp it. However, because I feel that way, I am attacked by a bunch of people, including you. I was fine with it at first, and simply argued my own opinions, but now it is getting VERY FRUSTRATING.

Daniel

June 15 2005
oh.. you were talking about the Nathan above me. Hehe I was confused :D

Nathan Bailey

June 15 2005
Hahaha....I have never DISrespected anyones beleifs I said what I said and I was done...Never anythign negetive otr anything untill my lest post so untill you got proof broseph, YOU need to take my advice! -Nathan