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May 04 2007

As most of you know, I dedicated a lot of time and effort to the Honors Program during my first 5 years at Tech.  I have loved that program, regardless of the many flaws that I saw and my clashes with the leadership.  Right now, I am completely disgusted and disappointed.


At least since I came to Tech in 2001, the Honors Handbook has said that to graduate in cursu honorum (in the course of the Honors Program) you have to complete Honors 1010, 15 hours of Honors credit in classes spread across 3 disciplines, 2 Honors colloquia (interdisciplinary classes that are usually pretty cool,) full membership in the Honors Program, a 3.5 GPA and-here's the part I've always hated-2 essays, one on critical thinking and one on your developmental growth, a final resume, and an exit interview with one of the directors and an Honors professor.


It came to light a few years ago that while they've been required the essays, resume, and interview, they're not actually in the Honors Charter, which means that students don't actually have to do them.  The Honors Charter is approved by the Academic Council at Tech, and the program has to abide by it.  When we discovered that it was being violated and students were, let's face it, being LIED to about what they had to do to graduate in cursu, the Honors Council voted to change the Charter.  The change, of course, has to be approved by the Academic Council for it to actually change the requirements.  Just so you know, as of the current date, they haven't even sent it to the Academic Council.  They are still telling students that they're required to complete the essays, resume, and interviews, which again, is not true.  For the record, even if it had been passed, the ammendment notes that anyone who joined Honors before the change was enacted can choose the Charter under which they want to graduate.


One of my friends is graduating this year.  He's completed all the requirements set forth in the Honors Charter, and yet the Honors Program is trying to refuse him in cursu graduation.  First, they flat-out refused him.  This Wednesday, when he went to talk to them about it, the director told him that while the papers, etc aren't in the Charter as requirements, they're not optional.  Then, the director told him to talk to the secretary on Thursday.  Thursday, the secretary told him that he needed a signed letter from the director saying that he really was graduation in cursu, since he didn't do the interview and papers, nevermind that he doesn't actually have to.  While the director was in the office, the secretary refused to "disturb" her for this.  (Graduation is tomorrow, so this is rather important, you know?)  When my friend came back an hour later as directed, the secretary and director were both out to a "long lunch."  A quick e-mail sent to a variety of university officials fixed the problem somewhat, but the director protested that he had not completed the proper "processing."  ... What kind of processing do you have that requires 2 papers, a resume, and an interview to determine if a student has taken certain classes and has the appropriate GPA?  Anyone else think this sounds a bit shady?


I am overall extremely disappointed in the program and its leadership.  This problem certainly started with the old director who first imposed the requirements that were not listed in the Charter, but I thought that the new director had more integrity that this.  I'm not sure who exactly they think they are that they can blatantly ignore the Charter that gives them the right to even have their program on campus, but I am certain of one thing - they are going to lose this fight.  The Charter is explicit about the requirements, and my friend has fulfilled every last one of them.


For the record, neither Josh nor I intend to do the papers or interviews either.  They will certainly lose the fight then as well.

Sarah Yeldell

May 04 2007
<p align=left> I don’t know, E. You agreed to abide by the Handbook when you joined.<bR><bR> These requirements aren’t a surprise – you’ve been dreading this junk for four years now. You’d have the right to be mad if they hadn’t told and sprang it on you at the last second, but now it kind of sounds like you’re mad just because you never wanted to do them, found the loophole that would let you out of it, and now the university is being difficult about it. ;-)<bR><bR> The new 2005 By-laws require the essays, interview, and resume. These requirements have been a part of the TTU Honors program since at least 2000, only now they’re codified. <b>But the sprit of the idea remains the same.</b> I understand that those changes are pending and won’t be in effect until the Fall after they’re approved so you technically could wriggle out of it, but if 1) you knew going in that you would be required to complete those requirements, and 2) next Fall they will be the rule in the Charter, it seems like you should just do them like you agreed to back in 2001.<bR><bR> ….Even though it’s totally LAME. *grin*

Sarah Yeldell

May 04 2007
<p align=left> P.S. We'll miss you tonight! I don't know how much fun staying up all night and walking is going to be, but I think it's going to be a neat (and emotional) event. I'll be thinking about you guys.<bR><bR> Love ya!

Elizabeth

May 04 2007
The Handbook is a guide - it's not the rules. The rules are stated in the Charter, which can only be changed by a vote of the Honors Council and approval of the university Academic Council. The Handbook changes every year at the whims of the Director and Handbook staff. There are whole sections in mine that no longer exist as well as new sections in the newer handbooks. If they were offering the papers as an optional personal and program devlopment activity, I don't think I'd mind so much. What I mind is that they keep lying to the students. It's been pointed out to them that they are lying, and they don't care. They have the option to make the essays actual requirements and won't do it. I have no desire to do something unpleasant for them that isn't actually required, regardless of however many years they've been doing it.

Elizabeth

May 04 2007
The Handbook is a guide - it's not the rules. The rules are stated in the Charter, which can only be changed by a vote of the Honors Council and approval of the university Academic Council. The Handbook changes every year at the whims of the Director and Handbook staff. There are whole sections in mine that no longer exist as well as new sections in the newer handbooks. If they were offering the papers as an optional personal and program devlopment activity, I don't think I'd mind so much. What I mind is that they keep lying to the students. It's been pointed out to them that they are lying, and they don't care. They have the option to make the essays actual requirements and won't do it. I have no desire to do something unpleasant for them that isn't actually required, regardless of however many years they've been doing it.

Elizabeth

May 04 2007
I'm sure glad I'm not repetitive. ;)

The Capn

May 04 2007
and i'm glad you didn't say the same thing again...

The Capn

May 04 2007
again...

Sarah Yeldell

May 05 2007
<p align=left> "<i>They have the option to make the essays actual requirements and won't do it.</i>"<bR><bR> Those requirements are in the <a href=http://honors.tntech.edu/_documents/charter.pdf>charter posted online</a>, dated Spring 2005. Have they not approved the new by-laws yet? And if not, why?

Elizabeth

May 06 2007
The star goes down to a note at the bottom of the page which says, "Pending approval by the TTU Academic Council." It's not a rule until it's approved, and they simply have not sent the Charter to the Council for approval.

Sarah Yeldell

May 07 2007
<p align=left> Hmm. Sounds like a lazy Council, since the pending charter is on the web and available for download.

Bill Morgan

May 07 2007
Stick to your guns. If there is a written "rule" it overrides all "verbal / adhoc" requirements. Things pending approval aren't governing until approved. The highest levels of Tenn Tech will understand this. Just had a minor but similar battle with my employer - I won ... because it the right answer .....

Sarah Yeldell

May 07 2007
<p align=left> Another question: Have the graduation requirements ever been taken out of the Handbook? Because if they're in there consistently, you'll have a hard time arguing that "it changes every year."<bR><bR> Honestly, E, it sounds like you'll spend more time and energy writing letters and arguing with officials and getting mad about it, than if you just did what you agreed to do when you started. *shrug* But I'm through playing Devil's advocate. ;-)

Brittany Wood

May 07 2007
You are completely right in your argument, Liz. The new requirements were never approved, so the Program has no right to require them essays and interview, nor do they have the right to lie to the students and tell them that they are a requirement for in cursu graduation.

Elizabeth

May 08 2007
I never went into this looking for a way out of the papers. Someone pointed it out to the Honors Council I was serving on, which is the only reason that I know. I fail to see why I should write papers that someone one year just decided were a good idea, but never made official requirements. It doesn't matter how long they've been doing it; the Honors Charter sets forth the requirements for graduation. This is the same as programs within academic departments on campus; they cannot simply add requirements because they feel like it at the time. They have to go through official channels and cannot require students to do other assignments that are not officially required. The Honors Program is no better and no worse than the rest of the University. If they want students to do certain activities for graduation, it needs to be approved by the Academic Council. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree - no department in the university has the right to require students to do additional requirements for graduation that have not been approved by the Academic Council.

Sarah Yeldell

May 09 2007
*grin* Well, let's just hope you get a lazy university official who doesn't feel like picking a fight.<bR><bR> Really, I wish you the best of luck in this particular windmill charge. If nothing else, it'll give you something to do with your copious free time. ;-)

Sarah Yeldell

May 09 2007
<p align=left> P.P.S. Just in case you've forgotten, I've been in your shoes. I presented my fool-proof case, and the University basically patted me on the head and said, "Honey, if it'll make you feel better, you're totally right. But we're not going to change a damn thing, because while you might have a loud bark, you don't have the time or the money to bite."<bR><bR> You're right, but don't expect them to, you know, CARE.

Elizabeth

May 10 2007
Actually, Honors doesn't have too terribly many friends in the administration. In fact, the main people that I would appeal to would probably agree with me just to side against Honors.